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Post by broken4ubyu » Tue May 18, 2004 1:46 pm

I have been able to find two key endorsements for John Kerry by foreign leaders; one came from Iran, the other from North Korea.





John Kerry is a walking contradiction.? He hasn?t held a steady position on any major issue in his entire record of public service.? Now it seems that his past is really coming back to haunt him.? Of all the explanations John Kerry should give to the American people, I?ll settle for three.???



First of all, in case you haven?t heard, foreign leaders from across the globe have endorsed John Kerry.? Well, that is, if you ask the Senator.? You see, several days ago, Kerry, when speaking before a group of Floridians on the campaign trail, decided it was time to announce this stinging revelation.? ?They [unnamed foreign leaders] look at you [Kerry] and say, ?Boy, you?ve got to win this.? You?ve got to beat this guy [President Bush].? We need a new policy.???



When pressed to name names, Kerry?s aides declined.? ?In terms of who he's talked to, we're not going to discuss that," said spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter. "I know it would be helpful, but we're not going into that.?? A week later, at a Kerry rally, a man pressed the Senator again.? Kerry replied by questioning the man?s political affiliation and passing him off as a typical Republican bomb thrower.



Smooth.? So, Kerry has decided it isn?t necessary to answer questions from Republicans.? Well, I suppose that would be fine if he were running to be President of the Democrats, but he?s running to be President of the United States?Republicans included.?



I have been able to find two key endorsements for John Kerry by foreign leaders.? One came from Iran?and the other from North Korea.? I?ll even stipulate that Spain?s newly elected socialist government will follow suit.? So, Kerry may have the socialists and already has two despotic regimes behind him?? Well, I guess they are foreign leaders.



Secondly, a recent report has revealed that Kerry, in 1997, actually supported unilateral military operations to unseat Saddam Hussein in Iraq.? Appearing on CNN?s ?Crossfire?, on Nov. 12, 1997, the great internationalist even declared that the same UN approval he now preaches for on campaign stops wouldn?t be necessary for then-President Bill Clinton to launch an offensive against Saddam?s regime.? ?The administration is making it clear they don't even need the UN security council to sign off on a material breach...so furthermore, I think the United States has always reserved the right and will reserve the right to act in its best interests.??



He went on to criticize Germany, France, and Russia, asking where their ?backbone? was in standing against Hussein.?



Kerry?s 1997 rhetoric sounds vaguely similar to someone from the present day.? Who could that be?? Why, President Bush, that?s who.? So, the lesson is, if a Democrat is in office, Saddam is fair game, but if a Republican is in office, we?re going to war for Halliburton.



Finally, and probably most interesting, is Kerry?s pre-9/11 indifference to warnings concerning airline security.?



As we all know, John Kerry is from Massachusetts.? And, in case you need reminding, two of the planes hijacked on 9/11 originated from Logan International Airport, in Boston, Massachusetts.? Here is the interesting part:? On May 7, 2001, Brian Sullivan, a special agent for the Federal Aviation Administration (who has since retired) warned Kerry of the likelihood of a hijacking and the ease with which one could occur.



Sullivan attempted to bring Kerry?s attention to a news broadcast exposing security weaknesses at Logan.? Sullivan included a letter detailing FAA failures and the threat they cause for the American people?and attempt by the FAA to prevent this information from coming to light.? ?The FAA does everything it can to prevent news reports of this nature under the guise of it being a public safety issue?Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day.? Considering the current threats, it is almost likely.??



Kerry, in a reply to Sullivan, seemed indifferent to the warnings of possible attacks.? In the return letter, Kerry informed Sullivan that the tape of the news program had been forwarded to the Department of Transportation, and asked that the Office of Inspector General report back to his staff when conclusions were made.? This report came too late.



Steve Elson, also an FAA security specialist, gave Kerry another warning.?? In June of 2001, Elson informed Jamie Wise, a Kerry staffer, of the possibility of attacks, but was turned away because he was not one of Kerry?s constituents.? It isn?t clear if Elson?s concerns ever reached the Senator.



These frightening premonitions came only two months before the September 11 tragedy.?



Am I saying the 9/11 is a result of Kerry?s irresponsibility?? No.? One would be hard pressed to find any American, Senator or not, who thought that an attack the scale of 9/11 would be plausible before that fateful day.? I am saying, however, Kerry had the opportunity to look into these issues further, but, because he did not take the threat seriously, allowed the warnings to slip through the cracks of bureaucracy.?



It is almost sad that Democrats tied their hopes to a man like John Kerry.? If he manages to defeat President Bush in November, America will be the worse for it.
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Re: John Kerry

Post by yoaliens3000 » Tue May 18, 2004 7:10 pm

good read, looks like youve done research. i totally agree with you.



The most recent contridicting thing kerry has said is how bush is evil for not doing anything about the high gas prices. and he was saying how gas is too high and americans shouldnt pay as much as this. although him as a senator, he has supported a 50 cent more gas tax. He has also supported many of cost of gas increasing bills.



if he gets elected, he will do nothing. he will be just like clinton, nothing will get done. he will just go with the wind.

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Post by four » Tue May 18, 2004 7:28 pm

Better than pissing into the wind.



I am not saying that Kerry is a good person or anything, I think both he and Bush are flaming idiots who are not in any way responsible enough to run the US. However the stuff about him and hijackings is just bullshit. If you suspect hijacking you go to someone who can do something about it, someone in the enforcement branch of the government, the executive branch, be it the FBI, ATF, the president, or any other orginization in that branch. You do not go to a senator, they have no power in that field at all, they just make laws. Going to a senator would be the equivlent of going to a judge and telling them about a robbery, there is no logic there, you go to the police.
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Post by Tree Fingers » Tue May 18, 2004 7:29 pm

Originally posted by broken4ubyu@May 18 2004, 11:46 AM

I have been able to find two key endorsements for John Kerry by foreign leaders; one came from Iran, the other from North Korea.





John Kerry is a walking contradiction.? He hasn?t held a steady position on any major issue in his entire record of public service.? Now it seems that his past is really coming back to haunt him.? Of all the explanations John Kerry should give to the American people, I?ll settle for three.???



First of all, in case you haven?t heard, foreign leaders from across the globe have endorsed John Kerry.? Well, that is, if you ask the Senator.? You see, several days ago, Kerry, when speaking before a group of Floridians on the campaign trail, decided it was time to announce this stinging revelation.? ?They [unnamed foreign leaders] look at you [Kerry] and say, ?Boy, you?ve got to win this.? You?ve got to beat this guy [President Bush].? We need a new policy.???



When pressed to name names, Kerry?s aides declined.? ?In terms of who he's talked to, we're not going to discuss that," said spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter. "I know it would be helpful, but we're not going into that.?? A week later, at a Kerry rally, a man pressed the Senator again.? Kerry replied by questioning the man?s political affiliation and passing him off as a typical Republican bomb thrower.



Smooth.? So, Kerry has decided it isn?t necessary to answer questions from Republicans.? Well, I suppose that would be fine if he were running to be President of the Democrats, but he?s running to be President of the United States?Republicans included.?



I have been able to find two key endorsements for John Kerry by foreign leaders.? One came from Iran?and the other from North Korea.? I?ll even stipulate that Spain?s newly elected socialist government will follow suit.? So, Kerry may have the socialists and already has two despotic regimes behind him?? Well, I guess they are foreign leaders.



Secondly, a recent report has revealed that Kerry, in 1997, actually supported unilateral military operations to unseat Saddam Hussein in Iraq.? Appearing on CNN?s ?Crossfire?, on Nov. 12, 1997, the great internationalist even declared that the same UN approval he now preaches for on campaign stops wouldn?t be necessary for then-President Bill Clinton to launch an offensive against Saddam?s regime.? ?The administration is making it clear they don't even need the UN security council to sign off on a material breach...so furthermore, I think the United States has always reserved the right and will reserve the right to act in its best interests.??



He went on to criticize Germany, France, and Russia, asking where their ?backbone? was in standing against Hussein.?



Kerry?s 1997 rhetoric sounds vaguely similar to someone from the present day.? Who could that be?? Why, President Bush, that?s who.? So, the lesson is, if a Democrat is in office, Saddam is fair game, but if a Republican is in office, we?re going to war for Halliburton.



Finally, and probably most interesting, is Kerry?s pre-9/11 indifference to warnings concerning airline security.?



As we all know, John Kerry is from Massachusetts.? And, in case you need reminding, two of the planes hijacked on 9/11 originated from Logan International Airport, in Boston, Massachusetts.? Here is the interesting part:? On May 7, 2001, Brian Sullivan, a special agent for the Federal Aviation Administration (who has since retired) warned Kerry of the likelihood of a hijacking and the ease with which one could occur.



Sullivan attempted to bring Kerry?s attention to a news broadcast exposing security weaknesses at Logan.? Sullivan included a letter detailing FAA failures and the threat they cause for the American people?and attempt by the FAA to prevent this information from coming to light.? ?The FAA does everything it can to prevent news reports of this nature under the guise of it being a public safety issue?Think what the result would be of a coordinated attack which took down several domestic flights on the same day.? Considering the current threats, it is almost likely.??



Kerry, in a reply to Sullivan, seemed indifferent to the warnings of possible attacks.? In the return letter, Kerry informed Sullivan that the tape of the news program had been forwarded to the Department of Transportation, and asked that the Office of Inspector General report back to his staff when conclusions were made.? This report came too late.



Steve Elson, also an FAA security specialist, gave Kerry another warning.?? In June of 2001, Elson informed Jamie Wise, a Kerry staffer, of the possibility of attacks, but was turned away because he was not one of Kerry?s constituents.? It isn?t clear if Elson?s concerns ever reached the Senator.



These frightening premonitions came only two months before the September 11 tragedy.?



Am I saying the 9/11 is a result of Kerry?s irresponsibility?? No.? One would be hard pressed to find any American, Senator or not, who thought that an attack the scale of 9/11 would be plausible before that fateful day.? I am saying, however, Kerry had the opportunity to look into these issues further, but, because he did not take the threat seriously, allowed the warnings to slip through the cracks of bureaucracy.?



It is almost sad that Democrats tied their hopes to a man like John Kerry.? If he manages to defeat President Bush in November, America will be the worse for it.




Please, quote that source. I know you didn't write that.



Anyhow, I have many responses to that.



1.) Concerning Kerry flip-flopping on issues: those issues that he has flip flopped on have been the result of sudden change, such as the intelligence in the War in Iraq. When it turns out that the threatening motives the current President fabricated for us were, in fact, more than an exaggeration but actually a complete fabrication, his opinion changed as has much of the US population.



2.) The foreign leaders issue is merely political bullshit. He has been endorsed by countries that have no respect from the United States or its people, but he can therefore use the fact that foriegn leaders have in fact endorsed him. It's just politically bullshit that frankly makes no difference in my mind what other countries have to say about him.



3.) Now, the pre-911 warnings that Kerry supposedly recieve, and the author of this articles' presumption that Kerry was in the position to make decisions on a terrorist attack on the United States is ludicrious. I'm sure he was informed of information, as was every Senator, that inferred a terrorist threat. They get national security information regularly. As the author addressed, no one in the United States ever would have guessed for something like this to happen, and the Senate has being hearing things about terrorism since the 1980s, it probably seemed like nothing new that only the CIA/FBI/or military operations could deal with. In fact, I'm almost positive that the intelligence provided to the Senate and House is merely briefings of new information, not for the Senate to decide on but simply to be aware of in case of the need of any new national security actions. So, what the hell was Kerry supposed to do? For Christ's sake, if Senator Kerry had that information 2 months before 9/11, then obviously Head of the Fucking Country failed to make any movement assuming he has thresholds of intelligence.

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Post by broken4ubyu » Tue May 18, 2004 8:51 pm

Yet the liberals say the same thing on the terrorism warnings about bush treefingers
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Post by Tree Fingers » Tue May 18, 2004 9:22 pm

Originally posted by broken4ubyu@May 18 2004, 06:51 PM

Yet the liberals say the same thing on the terrorism warnings about bush treefingers




However, Bush was in the position to deal with the national security threat, Kerry was not.



But, I think it is appropriate to quote your post. It was written by Andy Oberrman. Entitled The Lies, Hypocrisy, and Indifference of John Kerry. http://www.intellectualconservative.com.

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Post by broken4ubyu » Tue May 18, 2004 9:33 pm

Bush wasnt is position to deal with it. He was told that the whole thing was allready being dealt with, but thanks for getting the source, i accidently closed the window on it and lost the site.
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Post by four » Fri May 21, 2004 1:08 am

He was the president, how much more of a positition to deal with it could he be in.
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Post by broken4ubyu » Fri May 21, 2004 9:25 am

Did you expect president Bush to personally fly to Iraq and inspect the entire country himself? I sure didn't. He relied on his intelligence services and got burned. If there was no weapons, then it was a failure of intelligence and not pres bush
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Post by four » Sat May 22, 2004 7:04 pm

I would agree, except for the fact that the intelligence reports specifically included warnings that they had very little proof behind them and that some of it had been disproven. Such as the aluminum tubes for enriching uranium thing that he used in his state of the union address. The british intelligence agency that first discovered it admitted it was false, told our intelligence agencies that it was false, who told the administration the same thing, however he still used it to justify a war.
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Barely let them inspect iraq? Id say that over a decade is far more than enough time
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The inspection would probably have never worked. The UN didnt have enough acess and had to warn saddam of impeniding inspections.
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Post by four » Sun May 23, 2004 2:17 pm

The UN inspectors were saying that the inspections were working. They were getting access and pleaded numerous times for nothing more than more time. But Bush did not listen to them and just bombed the shit out of the country. They had much more access than they had in the past and it was working.
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Post by yoaliens3000 » Sun May 23, 2004 3:32 pm

im honestly starting to want kerry to win. kerry plans to raise taxes, he has even stated that he would. no arguing that. raising taxes right after a war will cause inflation. he will ruin the economy. i want him and every else to look like fools.

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Post by Doug » Sun May 23, 2004 7:57 pm

He's not saying he's going to raise taxes, he's saying he's going to let some of the tax cuts expire. These cuts are costing the country money that it needs. By letting it expire, the government gets more money back, which causes the deficit to decrease (possibly drastically), and leads the economy to become more stable. Simple government economics.



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Originally posted by yoaliens3000@May 23 2004, 01:32 PM

im honestly starting to want kerry to win.? kerry plans to raise taxes, he has even stated that he would. no arguing that. raising taxes right after a war will cause inflation. he will ruin the economy.? i want him and every else to look like fools.


hahah. do you know anything about economics? The more money the government has to spend, the better the economy will be. For some reason, people don't understand that. When taxes are higher, people tend to make more money anyway.

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