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Post by SirPostAlot » Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:50 pm

Personally i believe we make our own destiny...



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Post by _ofunsoundmind » Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:28 pm

We do make our own destiny (ie. we have free will), but in a sense it is predetermined because God knows what destiny we will choose.



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Post by xloveforsalex » Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:37 pm

i think it's both in a sense. i think God gives us choices in life, but, at the same time, He already knows what will be picked.

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Post by turtbub » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:51 pm

I agree with xloveforsalex. So I didn't vote as I wasn't sure which one it fits under.



We choose our destiny but God, being omnipotent, already knows what destiny we will choose.



If that makes sense...



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Post by 5a5 » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:49 pm

we make our own destiny
Now you'll find with everything you lose

Your path clears with everything you choose



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Post by Toy Soldier » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:37 pm

I believe its both-I believe that G-d has our lives mapped out in front of us, but we have choices-but He knows what consequences of choosing those choices are, whichever choice we choose. I hope that makes some sort of sense :/



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Post by Paris In Flames » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:15 pm

We are born a blank slate, and procede to create our own path until we die.



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Post by Kit » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:25 pm

Umm.....A little of both maybe? *raises eyebrow* Sam-Sam gets confused so she just walks down a path with the "iny meny miny mo.." hehe <--Third person does wonders. :D



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Post by daffodildreams » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:30 am

Our parents kind of shape the way we turn out, a lot of personal development happens before the age of 10. I think we do have a certain amount of control over our destiny but in our society.. do we really have control over anything?

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Post by !XogFog » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:49 pm

Which parts of our lives are pre-ordained and where can we make a difference?



Everything is pre-ordained and predestined by G-d, how long we will live, how much money we will have, who we will marry, etc. Our only free choice is whether to be good or evil. It is entirely up to us whether we want to be good, moral, and G-d fearing people.

Furthermore, the fact that G-d controls everything does not mean that we cannot change our destiny. We say in the high-holiday prayers "repentance, prayer and charity avert the severity of the [Heavenly] decree."



Our sages tell us that "charity saves from death." And although everything is controlled by G-d, He wants us to make physical vessels for His blessings so they can be actualized. This means that we go to the doctor, knowing that G-d is the Healer of all flesh, but He works through the hands of the doctor. Just as we all go to work every day although we believe that on Rosh Hashanah it is already determined how much money we will earn throughout the entire year.



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Post by PurplePoemPuppet » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:27 am

I think it's kinda like this, not exactly, but similar.



You have a friend and he has the choice between buying a barbie doll or a real car. Examples are bad yeah, but that's not the point. The point is, you know he's going to choose the car. This doesn't determine that your friend doesn't have the choice to choose the barbie, for all you know he could choose the barbie doll... but you still know that he's going to choose the car. And he does.



Now you might ask "what if he actually chose the barbie doll?" The point is not whether he actually chose the barbie doll, but the fact that he chose the car when he could have made his own choice to take either one and you would not have been making the choice for him. So if it came down to things more complicated choices in life, I would think of it as God just having a little more edge than we do on knowing what we'll choose, because in the case that we believe in God, and God is omniscient (according to theory), then He certainly would know what choice we shall make without forcing our decision.
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Tabula rasa - Locke

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Post by !XogFog » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:49 am

G-d is not a man, that He should be deceitful, nor a son of man that He should change His mind. (Numbers 23:19)



The fear of the L-RD is the beginning of knowledge; foolish ones scorn wisdom and discipline. (Proverbs 1:7)

The beginning of wisdom is to aquire wisdom; from your every acquisition acquire understanding. (Proverbs 4:7)



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Post by Anna_Banana » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:01 pm

i believe we make our own destiny. we make our own decisions. we have the choice of if we succeed or fail in our life. i dont believe everything is planned out for us...if it were, things wouldn't be the way they are today...and our future would be so easy to choose, and much clearer to us.
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