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Give your life

Post by oneforthemoney » Tue Dec 24, 2002 1:47 am

Any of you remember the school shootings at one of the high schools in the states, a while ago, when students were held at gun point and asked if they believed in God, and if they said "yes" they were shot?



Would you give your life for what you believe in?



I think I would...

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No... i don't think i would....
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Post by tornbutterfly » Tue Dec 24, 2002 2:17 am

If it came down to gunpoint...I don't know If I would be strong enough by myself to make that descison and say yes...however - if God was with me I think he would lead me to say yes. I have heard that a person who gives up his/her life will sure gain it back again. There is a song out by The Kry called Cassie's Song dedicated to Cassie Bernall who was shot at Columbine for saying she believed in God. She was someone who had a lot of guts and a strong faith in God to give up her life.
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Post by xxwhereisfredxx » Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:17 am

I'd like to THINK i'd be able to but....who really knows...i dont think we'd really know unless we were in that kind of situation...
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Post by Adnama » Tue Dec 24, 2002 1:54 pm

I wouldnt say yes, i'd probably say something more along the lines of "you'd better belive it!" I'd die for my faith in that sorta situation in a second if it came down to that. Proudly too.
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Post by raine » Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:22 pm

Most definately.
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Post by Barbies are Evil » Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:45 pm

Originally posted by AmAndA@Dec 24 2002, 04:17 AM

I'd like to THINK i'd be able to but....who really knows...i dont think we'd really know unless we were in that kind of situation...


I know what you mean excatly. I've been thinking about this, and came to the conclusion that I would. But you really never know what'll happen if :god forbid: you were in that type of situation.
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Post by oneforthemoney » Tue Dec 24, 2002 4:51 pm

Well if you look back in history.....Jews were killed for their religion, many died for what they believed in, and if you look at it today too....wars are over religion, territory (which belonged to some religious group) and so forth...



Christians were also killed back in the days....and it's still happening...This world is quite harsh.



In the Bible, the story about one of Jesus Disciples who lied about knowing him and where Jesus said before the rooster crows 3 times in the morning he would've denied knowing him...and then when the rooster crowed the disciple realized he denied knowing Jesus....That's how it goes or something, I don't have the exact words, cause I read the Bible in another language.



That's a story about staying faithful pretty much....

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Post by raine » Tue Dec 24, 2002 5:23 pm

Originally posted by oneforthemoney@Dec 24 2002, 04:51 PM

Well if you look back in history.....Jews and Christians were killed for their religion, many died for what they believed in....





And Pagans.
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Post by itsme » Wed Dec 25, 2002 6:46 pm

right now i would say i would. but i cant really say that unless im in the situation. hopefully i would.
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Re: Give your life

Post by Jake » Thu Dec 26, 2002 4:56 am

Originally posted by Dots@Dec 25 2002, 12:34 AM

.....simply put: I've always done good...if there's a God, I should go to Heaven...


I could go into that, but since I'm supposed to be the responsable moderator, I'll avoid getting off track :)....



Anyways....I would totally be willing to die if God wanted it to happen that way. However: it isn't exactly mentally pleasing to think of yourself dieing :)
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Post by Dots » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:21 pm

Oh, but it is mentally pleasing to think of yourself dieing...for some of us anyway...



It'd be lovely to have a reason to do it though - other than the fact we hate ourselves...lah lah lah...



Jacob, I've always done "good enough..." I'm not expecting myself to be super-human, and I certainly don't want a 'responsible father-figure moderator' so get off your pedistool and yell at me or whatever.



Helen, did you read the rest of my post? My point was, that I'm not really scared at all...lah da lah da lah...



So lahdedah...I'm not scccccared at all - what I am...is not getting schoolwork or social stuff done b/c mommy makes me go to Satan's Cathedral...church... all the fucking time...lol...

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Post by Dots » Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:57 pm

I thought about making a post about this in the past, and by no means am I trying to start an argument...But about "dieing for everyone's sins..." You know...what did Jesus Christ really DO? He died for a cause he believed in - he's what? One in 10 trillion who have done so? I mean...it takes courage and all to stand up for what you believe in, but why is he credited higher than anyone else? If they were lucky enough to save humanity by their dieing, they would have...Jesus Christ was just born luckier than the rest of us - he was born with something to do...he didn't have to work for a divine right like most of us...



I respect him and all, but that is one of the reasons I don't worry about details, and I oppose organized religion...Organized Christianity is like a teenie magazine going nuts about some teenage boy band (Jesus Christ.) ...I respect what he did, but I respect the billions of others who did the same thing just as much...Its not really fair that he was able to "save humanity" while they were not. It was probably much easier for Christ to give up his life than for those who got little out of it.



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Oh, and I'll be thanking God for letting me die...I'm not to fond of living, anymore.

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Post by forsaken_without_you » Fri Dec 27, 2002 8:18 pm

i dont know if i would, i have never been in that situation...so...

i think i would...i am not sure... this is ganna make me go mad thinking about it! :D
she said she cared...then why am I all alone..?





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Re: Give your life

Post by oneforthemoney » Fri Dec 27, 2002 9:12 pm

well if you look at it....



what's worse??



Getting shot...



Or



getting pinned to a cross by your hands & feet ... and treated like a juicy piece of meat so that people can look at you and make fun of you while you're in pain....until you finally bleed to death

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Post by Jake » Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:11 pm

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Re: Give your life

Post by oneforthemoney » Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:47 pm

Amen to that Brother Jake! .......

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Post by frost » Fri Dec 27, 2002 11:20 pm

hm.. dying for faith

it's a tough question..

come to think of it...

Jesus died for us... in the most painful way

i think it's most appropriate to die for Christ..
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Re: Give your life

Post by She » Sat Dec 28, 2002 12:50 am

Hm. I'm not sure what I believe in right now so... I'm just going to hope I'm not held at gunpoint between now and then.



I could always just start lecturing the guy about my morals and beliefs when he asks, maybe he'll get confused and forget he's holding a gun. Then I can take it and beat him over the head with it or something.
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