How Can Being An Atheist Be Worse?

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How Can Being An Atheist Be Worse?

Post by jess_617 » Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:02 am

Alright I was chatting with a couple of my friends during homeroom the other day and somehow we got on the topic of religion. It wasnt the normal "Why do you believe in something you dont even know exists for sure?" debate either. The question I asked was "Is it worse to be a cold blooded murderer or sociopath type guy and believe in god or be a really good caring person and not believe in god?"



I was so thrown when all of my friends answered that being an atheist is worse... I dont understand. How can that be worse? I dont know.. it was such a shock to find out that to my friends Im worse than a murderer...this is just beyond my comprehension. HOW? Im not THAT bad of a person..sure Im not the best and could be better but thats a little harsh dont you think?



Their arguement was..."Well God will forgive the murderer if he seeks absolution and he will get another chance." How can you be forgiven for taking a life? How in the world can it ever be okay? I dont see how you can do something so horrible and apologize then get rewarded by going to heaven... This is the one thing I could never get over when I did somewhat believe...(in my opinion) this is the very worst aspect of religion.



*sigh* I guess what Im asking is who believes what? Do you agree with me or my friends or do you believe something different altogether? Id really like to know..this is bothering me to no end.



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Re: How Can Being An Atheist Be Worse?

Post by Sam! » Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:06 am

I don't agree with your friends at all. I am not sure where they come to that conclusion, but someone must really have pushed the fear of God into them...
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Post by Dobby » Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:08 pm

Ya know, that bring's to mind an interesting conversation I just heard yesterday. In my school, mind you it is a very small public school, almost everyone is white, and almost everyone is a cathlioc, as well as I am. Now, the conversation I overheard, but I only causght the tail end of it, went someting like, "But you can always tell if someone is an Atheist." then someone else was saying how Atheist's are just bad by nature.



I was disguested by this conversation! I've met some Atheist's on HT and ya know what, unless I really knew what religion you were, I'd never know just by talking to you. On that same token, just by talking to you people, I really have no idea what race any of you are, but in my eye, we are all equal. So where these people at my school and your school Jess, get off saying that Atheist's are just terrible people, I guess they really need a reality check.
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Post by Toy Soldier » Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:57 pm

I think being a kind hearted atheist is waaay better than being a murderer who believes in G-d.In the Bible, it said if someone who takes a life will be 'sent to Hell' and that it does'nt matter whether they ask for forgiveness. However, Jesus changed it all and said as long as they believe in him and G-d, then you'll go to Heaven. That is probably what your friends believe and because you're an atheist, then maybe that is why to them it is worse to be an atheist. But most Christians I'm guessing would disagree with them, Jess hun.
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Post by GodsChild7 » Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:37 pm

I myself am a Christian so I believe that nobody should be athiest..I also dont agree with murder....Some people that they are Christians and kill people, but I dont think that you should ever kill anyone for any reason...Thats just my opinion though....

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Post by turtbub » Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:40 pm

Jessi,



Your friends are absolutely insane.

You know where I stand with religion, and I am very much a strong Christian as you know. But, to say that a murder is better than an atheist just because they believe in God is very much wrong.

At least in my opinion.

You see, yes God will forgive someone who takes a life and they will still go to heaven. And you're right, it doesn't make very much sense that someone can do such a horrific act and be rewarded. But, I suppose it's just something that will never make sense.

However, there are amazingly wonderful and beautiful people who don't believe in God (perfect example being you :)) and there are a lot of really scummy Christians.

So, this is something that is always going to ruffle feathers because you're absolutely right that it seems unfair. A sweet, loving, beautiful atheist gets an eternity in hell and a murderous Christian gets eternity in heaven.

It seems horrible.

And maybe it is.

But, see, that's just how it's going to be.

I suppose our best bet is to find the atheists, share God, and let them make their own choices. (As I have with you).

So, there's my two cents.

Not fabulously profound, but they're all I've got.



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Post by Toy Soldier » Sun Feb 27, 2005 5:41 pm

I dont understand why you don't think anyone should be atheist though? Some religions are atheist based (Buddhism for example). Does that mean you don't agree with Buddhism as well?
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Post by SirPostAlot » Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:57 pm

there is no way that it is worse...



but i know that there are people in my community that do believe that, too...



im atheist and they believe that, that is bad...



well they believe me being gay is as bad as being atheist...



Im a double negative in the catholic eyes :P



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Post by Dobby » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:24 pm

Jeff, careful on what you say. In my eyes, all religions are acceptable to the people who have faith in them. However, when it comes to death day, we will find out who's religion is right and who's is wrong. As for being gay, and I've said this many many many times, htat even though I am a Cathlioc, I could care less if people are gay or not. If president Bush get's his amendment to pass through to the people about gay marriage, I will deny it with all of my one vote because I believe that our freedoms as people come beofre our personal wants. It's your choice and you have a freedom to choose just as you have the freedom to choose your religion. So, for saying you're a double negative in my, a cathlioc's eyes, is not correct. You are just the same as anyone else, trying to be you, just as I am trying to be me. Granted, if I was a STRICT Cathlioc, meaning that I followed the book to a T, than I probably would hate you but very few Cathliocs out there are as such. Besides, who could hate u Jeff. :D
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Post by lordoftheunderworld » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:11 pm

i dont agree with them and i want u to listen to me jessi. u are a great person, a kind and caring person. your freinds are wrong. it is not worse to be a athist it is worse to be a murderer because u play god by changing the life cyle of some one. u are a still a great person and thus so u live a better life. its not if u ask for forgivness its also if u are deamed worthy. u could not belive in heaven or god but if there is and if i didnt belive u could still go to heaven if u were a great person. your actions speak louder then words. u are a very special person and dont listen to them. so uno necaro toulina exiartia urao goeon ctuly. u are as wonderfull person and may the power of nature empower u and make u feel loved.
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Post by Dobby » Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:35 am

"A sweet, loving, beautiful atheist gets an eternity in hell..."



That is something that really didn't click with me until just a minuet ago. According to the bible, at least the way the Cathliocs interuperute (I can never spell) it, there is a clause in it. It goes something like this, mind you this is not word for word. It is called baptism of the ignorant. What happens, at least I believe this happens, is if one is raised in a family in which they never came to know God, (born an Atheist and die and Atheist or at least never switch to a religion in which there was GOD) then upon their death they are "baptized." Now, baptism, allowes them to be children of God and therefore allows them to become members of the Kingdom of heaven.



Okay, I know this sounds corney, but I recently had a friend die who of the Hindu religion. I was kinda beat down by this so I asked my uncle, who is a "Father" about what will happen to him now that he is dead and that is what he told me. now that he does lie occasionally, I looked it up on my own, and it is in the Bible. I believe it so to each their own. Mind you though, it only works if you never knew God. If you fell away from the church, it won't work.
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Post by jess_617 » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:38 pm

Well thanks for you guys' input. I really appreciate it. Im still really upset with my friend. Granted I asked but Im getting sick of people (especially people who say they are my friends) telling me Im wrong, that Im going to hell, etc.. She couldve shown a little compassion as it hurts when people talk down to you like youre an ignorant, mischievious child. :furious:



Thanks again. :)



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Post by the_pup_dog » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:55 pm

i agree with your firends...heres y:



the bible says that no sin is greater than another all sins are equal in gods eyes

if you surse your mom out, if you tell a lie, if you rape someone, if you kill someone its all the same in gods eyes. sin is sin god does not put sin on a pengalum(sp?)

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*-sin



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good bad

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all sins are bad...there is no different level of sin! n e thing that comes between u and god is sin BUT if you are a christian and murder someone or hurt someone god will forgive you. your sins will b washed away..god will forget



if you r atheist how ever u never ask for forgivness and your living in sin so ur totally cut off from god



ok so the murder/rapist/liar etc isnt being rewarded for sinning theyre going to heaven bc they believe in jesus as their savior as theyve repented....jesus has already paid the prcie for them...so y should they have to pay again........



i kno wut they did is wrong and should never have been done but if they r truly sorry TRULY sorry and HONESTLY repent then they shouldnt b punished n e more....jesus already took the punishment for them





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Post by SirPostAlot » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:31 pm

I highly disagree w/ you ellie...



1st of all how can you catagorize rap and lieing? its totally not the same...even if its the same in "gods" eyes that a total shame...



and in all honsoty, your saying that ANYONE who believes in jesus despite what they do is going to heaven?

Thats just saying "believe in the bible but go ahead go rape anyone you want...murder anyone you want...canabolize anyone you want...your goint to heaven so don't worry about it"...



i totally disagree...



If this is the way the whole heaven thing works them im utterly glad i don't believe in this...becuase this is just...this is just...totally unlogical and totally bs...



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Post by the_pup_dog » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:22 pm

im sorry im just telling you wut the bible says....



the bible says all sins are equal in gods eyes it his human nature for us to think that murdering someone is a lot worse than telling a lie but god thinks otherwise. god says that anything that seperates u from him is bad and he doesnt put them on different levels.



and yes anyone who really believes in jesus will go to heaven. if you accept jesus as your savior you are going to heaven. you might make mistakes in your life but they will not be held against you if you repent...im not saying go ahead and believe in the bible but go hurt people because your stil going to heaven...god can tell if you sincerely accept jesus



i dont mean to offend anyone im just simply telling you what the bible says



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Post by SirPostAlot » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:28 pm

your not offending me but its soo illgoical that it doesn't seem real and perhaps closes the door on the religious~mythlogical realm...



Just think about what you are saying...close the bible and think deep down inside your self...be your own person..



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Post by the_pup_dog » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:47 pm

im not a perfect christian and i do question often how god can place a rapist in the same category as someone who cheats on a math test but sill in my opinion i think that not believing in god is the worst thing you can do not to offend any atheist but that is just my belief



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Post by SirPostAlot » Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:51 pm

well thats your believe and we all respect your opinion, but im just saying that i don't see how me not believing in god is worse then people on death-row for mass-murder or mass-childmulastation...etc...



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Post by 5a5 » Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:43 am

Originally posted by Audacity@Feb 26 2005, 10:06 PM

I don't agree with your friends at all. I am not sure where they come to that conclusion, but someone must really have pushed the fear of God into them...

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i agree, i find it weird how people view religion as some kind of action-apology-forgiveness thing, meaning u do something, u say u're sorry to god and then u're all pure and holy again, that's weird i think it's better to be a good, decent and carrying person and believe in whatever makes u happy, that to be so set and into religion that it hurts everyone around.., sorry if i make people mad ( usually do) but that's my opinion
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