Originally posted by !XogFog+Jun 5 2005, 10:49 PM--
No! When new things are added the old one doesn't change, especially not that fundamentally. The entire Mount Sinai incident may as well have not happened according to Jesus. And if you look at every single example I gave you, the old covenant remained unchanged
after the creation of the new one.
Well, the covanant was only with the Isrealites, the Jews.
Yes Jesus was born into a Jewish family, but many times in the bible you see him denounce Jewish practices and teachings.
The new covanant regarded everyone, not just the Jews.
Jesus was sent to save us all.
Your point would make sense if Jesus only claimed to expand the covenant to everyone. It would still be a stretch, but would make more sense, and I do know people like that on other forums. However, you are saying that he expanded it to all AND changed the terms of it. That doesn't work.
Oh, and go read this responsa. http://www.jewsforjudaism.com/web/responsa/r0006.php
Although I do believe the verse up before where it said he is making a new covanant, because the others have broken it.
Expanding does not require change to what its expanding from.
But if you are saying that he never broke it, then who is to say that contract is not in place?
They spent more years in the desert then they should have because they kept breaking the covanant, which in turn is why everyone who was born in Egpyt did not make it to the promised land, except for Joshua and Caleb, who led their conquest into Caanan.
What I'm trying to explain is, the New Covanant that God had made through Jesus's death, is one with everyone. God sent his son to save us, he sent him so we will be able to be with him the when jugdement day comes. The original Covanant is with the Isrealites, now, did he promise them eternal life? life after death with him? Not that i know of.
BEcause as of now, no one is in heaven, and all those OT biblical figures are in Paradise, not heaven.
No one had the chance before Jesus came, the way i see it. The to covanants don't contradict each other.
Just a side note- It is good to ask all these questions, but too much thinking, can lead to disbelief, is that your purpose?
I'm not attacking you, im just curious.
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