Is It A Sin?

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Is It A Sin?

Post by Lisa » Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:42 pm

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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by 309756 » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:44 pm

The United Church of Christ and the Ameican Unitarian Conference are two Christian organizations that support the rights of gay people.



Take this argument back to your friend:



During the formative years of the Bible's existence, a trendy movement within Hellenized (Greek/Latin) culture was to be bisexual. Alexander the Great, for example, had a male confidant in addition to his wife. Young boys were valued for their tiny genitalia and their slim forms (pedophilia). To Paul, THIS behavior was considered unnatural, and thus he wrote about it in Romans 1. That's the verse used to justify Christianity's exclusion of homosexuality.



But ask this question: If you disregard cultural standards set by the prophets, and go straight to Jesus, who do you think he would love today? The self-righteous, sanctimonious preaching type, or the modest gay person who knows who he or she is, and is devoted to being a spiritual being and a follower of Jesus?



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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by Lisa » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:05 am

Cool thanks Penguin i will try that today!! Before i went to bed last night i was like God can i be gay and still go to heaven and so when i went to sleep i had this dream i was in my class and my frist girl crush ever was there and was like holding my hand and other things (sorry hun I LOVE YOU 'THE SAME'!!!) but yeah it could be just one of my weird dreams what do you think?
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by Lisa » Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:30 pm

I printed off what you said and asked her and she was like no no no the bible says NO it is a sin! Then she went to Mr. Boris who earlier that day had said I rather be arrested for protesting against homosexuality than for not showing you this video *long story* but anyway he was like yes it's a sin even if your a Christian. I think I lost but i will not give up!!!!
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by FranklinF » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:10 am

No man can condem any man, that is up to God to decide and it does say somewhere in the bible about giving into sins of the flesh or something, I have never found the exact verse every one talks about, and even then it is mostly interperatation, and in the bible it says to love thy neighbor so i think that above anything should be held above any interparatation... you catch my drift?-MARY
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by !XogFog » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:34 am

G-d is not a man, that He should be deceitful, nor a son of man that He should change His mind. (Numbers 23:19)



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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by Lisa » Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:51 pm

Originally posted by !XogFog+Sep 30 2005, 10:34 AM--
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We are supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves, but that doesn't mean we don't know which actions are sins and which aren't. Just because I'm supposed to love you doesn't mean I can't know that stealing is wrong.



So yes, homosexual sex is a sin. Being homosexual is not a sin, but acting on it is.

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Ok so you think it is a sin but what if your a Christian and you pray, read your bible and go to church and your gay would you go to heaven or hell??
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by !XogFog » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:39 pm

Originally posted by Lisa+Sep 30 2005, 12:51 PM--
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We are supposed to love our neighbors as ourselves, but that doesn't mean we don't know which actions are sins and which aren't. Just because I'm supposed to love you doesn't mean I can't know that stealing is wrong.



So yes, homosexual sex is a sin. Being homosexual is not a sin, but acting on it is.

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Ok so you think it is a sin but what if your a Christian and you pray, read your bible and go to church and your gay would you go to heaven or hell??

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By "your gay" you mean that you engage in homosexual sex, correct? Because we've established that just being attracted to members of the same sex isn't a sin.



I don't really know much about Christian beliefs on that. Maybe someone else can answer.
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Post by 5a5 » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:17 pm

u are the way u are, if there is a god and he is the way people describe him all loving and good then he'll accept u any way u are , no matter what, im not much into religion but the way i see it it's worse sin for ur friend or whatever to judge ur cousin than for u to live ur life the way u want, love is love in a world like ours any kind of love is a miracle, it's a wonder people can still love at all
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by A! Elbereth » Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:11 pm

Be an individual and form your own opinion about this issue. Read the Bible and see what it means to you.
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by Lisa » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:07 pm

But the bible is so covered up now a days it sucks!!! I don't know what to think about it anymore
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by A! Elbereth » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:10 pm

What do you mean by 'covered up'?



Answer me this: Do you believe in God? Jesus? The Bible?
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by Lisa » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:45 pm

like so many people have put what they think into it that the bible has become so much less that what it was 1,000 years ago and yes i do to all of them.
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by 309756 » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:50 am

Right.



Sometimes, people will USE parts of the Bible, I guess, to purport their own social agenda. Is it right?



For example:



Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.



Taken from Romans 1.



'Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 28 Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.



Taken from Leviticus 11.



It just goes to show that cultural standards sometimes come into play.

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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by !XogFog » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:35 am

Originally posted by pandasandpenguins@Oct 1 2005, 11:50 PM

Right.



Sometimes, people will USE parts of the Bible, I guess, to purport their own social agenda. Is it right?



For example:



Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.



Taken from Romans 1.



'Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. 28 Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.



Taken from Leviticus 11.



It just goes to show that cultural standards sometimes come into play.

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I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm seeing your argument.
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Post by A! Elbereth » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:20 pm

Yes, I'm actually not seeing it either. Those versus in no way support the argument that the Bible's words mean something different than it did when it was written.
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Re: Is It A Sin?

Post by 309756 » Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:18 pm

The point I was trying to make is that in both instances, the bible verses support a CULTURAL rather than a DIVINE conclusion. So, if Christians can discount the verses of the Old Testament as "cultural precedents" of the ancient Hebrews, then the verses in Romans count as a cultural reminder of Roman and Greek society.



Again, reference to the pedophilia at the beginning of the thread.

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