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Who Is A True Christian?

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:21 pm
by Lena
VittorioCole and I were just talking and he sent me this link. Have a read and give feedback. :)

Who is a true Christian? - Timmy

It seems no matter what is said, or done on this website I see and hear of people wondering/speculating/ judging who is a christian and who isn't. I honestly don't even want to give this subject anymore of a spotlight but i feel like a lot of you are wondering who Underoath is, and who I am , and who we are as people and Christians, and how that applies to our lives. I feel a true Christian is someone who loves other people before themselves and loves God with everything. My goal in life isn't to go through life never drinking a beer, or not saying certain's loving people and learning how to be a positive influence in people's lives. If you're looking at us to fit the squeaky clean mold that the Christian right has set before us as the status quo, I think it's time for you to sign off of this website for good. We are real dudes with real problems. If you want perfect people then you are always going to be disappointed..if you want to feel like you're a perfect person and are surrounded by perfect people, then go into %90 of the churches that exist in our country where sexual addiction doesn't exist, or drug use doesn't exist, or drinking doesn't exist....I have news for you....the only time that stuff doesn't exist is for 45 minutes on Sunday morning. NOBODY is perfect, and no one ever will be...if you think someone is your being lied to or you're lying to yourself. There's nothing wrong with someone drinking, or listening to whatever they want, or wearing whatever they want. I'd rather have a few beers with my friends and get real with them on issues and struggles rather than fake perfection and never really get anywhere with anyone. I care about poverty, the environment, homeless people, my friends lives, my girlfriend's heart and life, my family, social on and so forth. I am not concerned about who drank what, and who smokes, or who said ass the other night. We are not twelve years's time to stop acting like we are. Look past the five steps of being a good Christian that your youth leader told you and start getting real. There's people that are killing themselves right now because nobody talks about problems. People feel like they are alone in struggles because nobody is willing to admit their own flaws. Everyone gets trapped in this social prison and in turn are pushed further and further down until they are helpless. I drink with my friends, I mess up with my girlfriend, my mouth isn't the cleanest thing in the world, homosexual people don't offend me, I don't agree with George Bush and the war we are in....and the list goes on. I feel like this journal entry is so elementary, but i feel like this issue needs to be dealt with. Until we're ok with not being ok, we're never going to get anywhere. I'm as messed up as anyone that is reading this, if not more. The only thing I know is that anything of any real value or worth in my life is not of my own accord but Christ in me. Jesus ate 'unclean' meet, drank wine with his friends, hung out with people that didn't fit the contemporary christian molds of old, and he got heat for it..but it was the right thing to do..the real thing to do. There was only one true Christian and that was Jesus. He cared about the homeless, the widow, and the orphans more than fitting into the Christian that's what i will do. I'm sure there will be post after post of outraged 'christians' who are burning their UO cd's and furious because this isn't what they wanted to hear. I have a hard time loving those people, but I'm trying. Usually when I see those posts I laugh and joke with my friends about how stupid people can be, and for that I'm sorry, but this time I wanted to be transparent in hopes that some clarity and headway could be made on these topics. If not I guess there will be an extreme surge of Underoath cd's in the local record shop's used if you don't have a lot of money and want any of our records then wait about a week after this is posted and hit up the cd're bound to find what you're looking for. I love you all...and I almost forgot...Happy Thanksgiving!!! By the way...Aaron is going to be doing an Almost tour in January and all of you guys should go out and see him...check his site for more details!!!! I love you all...even you.

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Re: Who Is A True Christian?

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:11 pm
by goodmorning
I think it's very interesting, and I agree a lot with it. It's difficult to go into detail, but I totally agree with the whole stop-pretending-to-be-perfect-and-get-real thing.

God bless.

Re: Who Is A True Christian?

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:49 pm
by Toast960
I agree 100% with that post. It's nice to see there's others who're willing to take off the maks and fake smiles Christianity almost forces you to put on and address what the actual truth is.

Re: Who Is A True Christian?

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:45 pm
by sbloemeke
Perfect people don't exist. But God doesn't punish for flaws, he rewards good.

I read this book once, the life god rewards for teens. It honestly stopped me from being suicidal then, but that's something else. In it, the author states that being Christian is believing that God exists, and loving him. You die, and your soul goes up to heaven. There you come before the judge, who is Jesus himself. There is an alter of everything you have done good in your life. Hay, wood, paper, gold, silver, and precious stones make it exist. Then it catches on fire, and what is left is the good you've done in your life. It's a sybolic end of your sins.

Re: Who Is A True Christian?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:49 am
by munchkinprince
thank you sbloemeke! I thought I was the only one to have read that book!

I also would like to say I'm grateful that this is the image conjured when considering Christianity and not a Phelpsian christian.